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When is the formal EOL for Firefox? It's my primary browser, but some people hate it, so just thought I'd ask when the EOL for Firefox is?

Flash is never blocked for me in Firefox and never will be. Because a few months back I did this:

1. about:config 2. extensions.blocklist.enabled - 'false'

Job done. No more Mozilla annoyances between me and the content I wish to access. And yes, it was an annoyance because the link to "check for updates" in your message would not get me anywhere. That was a flaw in your strategy that I now suspect was deliberate. I really can't respect engineered annoyances that align with agendas rather than good UX.

I like Flash when it's done well. Raw performance and efficiency is one of the things I like about it. The powerful multimedia handling of everything from audio to video cannot be matched by HTML5. I'm an HTML/CSS/JS dev for my living for 20 years, that's how I know this to be true.

HTML5 video is cute. But it doesn't cut the mustard in all circumstances.

360 video, VR, and many other things will come along that are too much for web technologies to handle. Flash serves a useful purpose in allowing websites to cater to the most demanding cutting edge tech and content without needing the Firefoxes and Chromes of the world to keep up.

"closed source"; "battery drain"; "plugins are just bad".... oh cry me a river.

My comment has reached EOL.



Holy shit. Flash has over 34 CVEs in one week—and only because a prominent organization that was sitting on a bunch of them got hacked—and you call mozilla taking steps to protect the security and integrity of their customers an "engineered annoyance"?

Grow up.


I am older than you probably, I am over 40.

Holy shit, it's like you're throwing nappies at me and telling me I should wear them immediately. I don't want or need a nappy.

Holy shit, look at this: http://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2011-3660/

"There is total information disclosure, resulting in all system files being revealed."

OMG it's from 2011, and those poor people from 2011 with Firefox installed.

Listen. I am not worried about your CVE's. Got it? Don't push your paranoid, unsubstantiated crap into my reading.

If I'm vulnerable, where's the stories of "person with Firefox and Flash gets owned" stories? Link me one, just one.

If you want security, if you want privacy. Close you damn Facebook account (if you can). Good luck.

nightpool..... some advice: uninstall your virus protection program for one year. Let us know how you go in a year. (hint, you'll be fine).

Hack me.


> I like Flash when it's done well. Raw performance and efficiency is one of the things I like about it.

This is some comedy gold.


Performance is better than javascript. But then, who here has done a side by side comparison?

A: Built something in Flash

B: Built the exact same thing in JS and measured their performance side by side in the page, and on separate pages.

Even sliding an image - such a simple thing. Make it whoosh to the left. Guess what? Flash will whoosh it quicker and smoother on browsers with Flash installed.

I love JS, it's cool for web stuff and data fetching and sorting for a huge percentage of the internet. I had a great time with it doing multiple AJAX calls and sorting for a single page thing on a heavy traffic media site. Love the whole promises thing for sorting out those pesky asynchronous dinguses. Yep. HTML5 does indeed rock. Really love modern CSS too. Hate grids though but each to their own. I don't say "grids should die".

JS/HTML is not superman. If you want superman on your webpage, you need something more, such as a plugin.

Unity plugin. I might use that next. I really don't want to be fighting people about the value of plugins, even if that value and scope is reduced from what it is a few years ago, it's still there. I want to make games, and what is clear to me after trying an HTML game is that..... it's pretty much a joke. HTML5 games in 2015 are, a joke.

How dare anyone at Firefox or Facebook put forward an EOL for someone else's technology. EOL your own stuff, not someone elses. Bloody rude if you ask me.

"Flash should die because it has equal performance to native iOS apps". That's what I read between the lines in Jobs' letter. I like Steve Jobs, but he was a player. A chess player. We respect chess players, but they won't hesitate to knife you in-game.

If Flash dies, it's the hate that killed it more than any sensible reflection on the technologies we have available and how they can best be used.

If nothing else, hope I've added more comedy for you.


> extensions.blocklist.enabled - 'false'

Congratulations, you just left yourself open to malware masquerading as addons.


And yet, my system is squeaky clean, and has been for years.

And shock horror, I don't even have a virus protection program installed. I install one ever 12 months or so. Actually I install a few at one time to be thorough. Do a complete scan, and of course it comes up 100% clean, then I uninstall all of them and get on with work.

Continue being paranoid and using up CPU cycles to serve your paranoia while I enjoy a lighting fast workstation. The choice is yours. Choice is good.

When I was student, I didn't buy games. I downloaded them. Got malware and worse even with virus protection. I buy games, since about 2002 I just buy the software I want. No virus/malware issues here.




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