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What exactly did Apple “do”?


https://www.wired.com/story/how-to-stop-apple-throttling-iph... Apple does the same thing, but doesn't offer free repairs when they do this


No, it’s not “the same thing”. Apple throttled the phones because the alternative was the phone shutting off. It wasn’t a software bug. It’s physics that when a battery got old and you tried to run the phone at full speed, the battery couldn’t handle it.


You're repeating Apple's PR talking point, but we know it's not true.

Why? Because we have a counterfactual observation: in France there's a law against "planned obsolescence" and to comply Apple never pushed their update here. And not only French IPhone kept working, but everybody could disable the speed nerf by switching their location to France on their phone. And it turns out that the phones handled it without issue.


So are you saying that batteries don’t degrade over time causing random cut offs?

And if that were the case, how do you explain this as far as France?

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21127984/apple-iphone-batt...


Battery do degrade over time, but the phone speed nerf was spread to many phones were battery degradation was far too little to cause the kind of disruption you're talking about. A theoretical concern that was marginal at best in the actual fleet of phone was used as an excuse for shady behavior (And that shady behavior got them a fine in France before they reverted the patch here).

Also, I don't understand why you're linking to an article that contradicts you. It reminded me something I had forgotten though: that eventually Apple (partially). caved and made this behavior opt-out for everyone.


It was never “reversed” anywhere according to your citation. They added a setting to let you turn it off.

It wasn’t a theoretical concern. Phones were shutting down. Again this is physics.


Too bad their lawyer wasn't able to explain physics to the French law enforcement and it costed them $25 million.

Apple fanboys are really the best when it comes to defend the indefensible.


Well first you said it didn’t happen in France - and it did.

No one has ever accused the EU of being tech literate.

And that feature is still part of iOS…


> Well first you said it didn’t happen in France - and it did.

It did, shortly, then Apple got fined and then the feature was removed, yes, there's no contradiction whatsoever with anything I said.

> No one has ever accused the EU of being tech literate.

First it has no link with the EU, and then you said it wasn't about tech but “physics”. And surely Apple would hire lawyers familiar enough with physics to be able to explain it…

> And that feature is still part of iOS…

But now at least it's opt-out because Apple was forced to do something against the backlash. Nobody would have called that shady if they communicated clearly about the throttling and made it opt-out from the get go (or even better: wait before such a issue gets triggered once before throttling the phone, and explicitly tell the user when it happens…). And surely that's what company that cares about user experience as much as Apple would do … if they weren't trying to screw their customers.


> First it has no link with the EU, and then you said it wasn't about tech but “physics”. And surely Apple would hire lawyers familiar enough with physics to be able to explain it…

So now are you back to saying that rechargeable battery degradation is not a thing? It is literally physics

https://gizmodo.com/scientists-solved-the-mystery-of-why-rec...


No that's not what I'm saying, and you know it, you're just falling back to this absurd argument because that's all you have.

What I'm saying is that Apple's army of lawyer failed to justify how this behavior was indeed justified by laws of physics, and obviously you cannot do better than them. Your argument is just one of a fanboy coping against facts.


How is that different? Apple 'throttled' the phones by reducing charge amperage and reducing battery capacity in software.

TBH I think what Google did here is also bad, this should definitely trigger a system popup with an opt in/out.

However, Apple did exactly the same thing, initially denied it, and people are still defending them years later.

(edit):typo


The alternative was that the phone would shut off completely. Apple did not make the phone worse.

So the pop up should be “Wouid you like your phone to shut off randomly?”


They didn’t offer free repairs, but they also didn’t limit it to five countries.


Initially they silently under-clocked CPUs for phones with aged batteries. https://www.pcmag.com/news/apple-does-slow-iphone-speeds-but...

Then they announced a $29 battery replacement program for phones that were affected by this battery issue. https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-apple-is-refusing-to-repla...


So in other words, unlike Google that made perfectly good phones worse, Apple did an update that made iPhones with aged batteries not completely shut off.

And you don’t see the difference?


Having an “aged battery” is very different from having a battery that was suddenly ruined by a buggy update that can’t be rolled back though.


This wasn't a buggy update. It was announced ahead of time via email, including compensation options.


I’m just going by the article, which describes it as a “surprise update” that “came out of nowhere”. Am I missing something?


They emailed us in advance of the update being pushed out saying it would lower battery life, and offered compensation options ahead of time. It wasn't reactionary. If it were a buggy update the email wouldn't come before the update.


Are you saying Google announced that they were going to nerf your phone beforehand?


How was this not a buggy update?


Like I said, they emailed us ahead of time and THEN pushed the update. Before the update was pushed, they said the battery life would deplete and offered compensation options.

They haven't said why they did this, like if it was a battery defect issue or what.




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