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California went from around 85% white European to 35% in roughly a generation (from 1960s to today). Statewide, only 20% of California students are white so their numbers will continue to decline for the foreseeable future.

The US is a melting pot culture and people accept these changes, but there’s no reason that European cultures need to replicate this in their own countries.



Lies, damn lies and then this. 85% counts Hispanic people as white. The 35% does not. Ain't no way this is an innocent mistake. Hispanic people have always been a large portion of California.


No, both numbers refer to non-Hispanic whites.

The Hispanic population of California was 13.7% in 1970. 19% in 1980, 39% in 2020:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanics_and_Latinos_in_Cal...

And over 55% of students in CA public schools today:

https://dq.cde.ca.gov/dataquest/dqcensus/enrethlevels.aspx?a...

The shift in demographics wasn't driven entirely by the increase in the Hispanic population, and in fact I didn’t mention Hispanic population at all. It also was in part driven by immigration from Asian countries.

Not sure why you’re calling me a liar.


I misread your comment. Sorry about that. I misread it because I think of a generation as twenty years and a lifetime as what you described. Sorry again.


Ah, you’re right. It says online that a generation is 20-30 years so I was actually looking over 2-3 generations. Thanks for the correction.


Quite a lot of Hispanic people who might have previously been counted as white no longer identify that way (https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-09-09/south-los-a...).


The article you linked to is about people who previously identified as “white Hispanic” now identifying as “other Hispanic.”

But the numbers I provided are specifically for non-Hispanic whites, who never identified as Hispanic. The article is irrelevant to that demographic shift.


>Hispanic people have always been a large portion of California.

Not true.

Whether Texas or California, the land that is now the American southwest was almost completely empty before the Mexican War; about 80,000 hispanos, or about 1% of Mexico's prewar population, mostly in New Mexico and southern Colorado. They were very, very isolated, living in "islands", and were already dependent on the US, not Mexico, for trade <http://web.archive.org/web/20070517113110/http://www.pbs.org...>. The American takeover and attendant influx of settlers completely changed the region; by 1860 California alone had 380,000 people] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California#Pop...> and was a US state.

*85% of Mexican Americans today are from post-World War II immigration.* As late as 1970 <http://www.pewhispanic.org/2013/05/01/a-demographic-portrait...> there were five million people of Mexican ethnicity in the US, including one million born in Mexico. Now there are 33.7 million and 11.4 million, respectively. The number of people of Mexican ethnicity has grown by ~16X in 75 years (from ~2 million in 1940), while the US population has grown by ~2.5X. Had the Mexican-ethnic population grown by the same rate as the broader US there would be 5 million today, not 33.7.

History, even recent history, has been rewritten in peoples' minds by popular culture. Los Angeles's stupendous growth in the first half of the 20th century was driven almost entirely off of internal US migration. So many Iowans moved to LA that it was joked that southern California should be renamed "Caliowa". Almost everything we think of about the city, demographically speaking, is a post-1970 phenomenon.

According to Census estimates <http://web.archive.org/web/20080912052919/https://www.census...>, the city of Los Angeles was 7.1% Hispanic (almost all Mexican, of course) in 1940, and 15-17% in 1970. In 1990—let me repeat, two decades later—it was 39.9%. The non-Hispanic white population went from 86.3% in 1940, to 61-63% in 1970, to 37.3% in 1990. As of 2020 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles#Race_and_ethnicity> the city is 46.9% Hispanic and 28.9% non-Hispanic white.

"We didn't cross the border; the border crossed us" is only true for the aforementioned hispanos. If alien space bats had rotated the contiguous US 180 degrees in 1945, all other Mexican Americans would be living in Buffalo and Portland and Boston and Rochester and Detroit. Those cities would be known as the home of Cal-Mex and Tex-Mex cuisine, not LA and El Paso and Phoenix.


I can understand if Europe doesn't want to replicate this, but then they might have to fix their issue with birth rates.


Yes, that’s an issue and it’s affecting countries all over the world.

Sub-Saharan Africa and some Middle Eastern countries are pretty much the only places left with high fertility rates:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_f...

But we may need to consider more solutions than simply using Africa and the Middle East as a breeding ground to populate the rest of the world?


Believing demographics is a zero sum game is uhh.. well let’s not invoke ~Conways~ Godwin’s law. Why do you think it’s a zero sum game?




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