You mean the CCC that was founded in the rooms of leftist newspaper TAZ at a table that was stolen from the anarcho-left commune "Kommune 1"?
If you don't understand that the CCC is and has always been anti-fascist, you're way off the path, friend.
Edit: forgot to mention: any notion that Antifa is a state-organized thing is misguided at best and wrong and in bad faith at worst. It's just not true.
Implying the German state of all things runs Antifa is at best risible. While justice officers and LEOs will always trend right of society, simply due to self-section based on the inherent authoritarianism of justice and LE in particular, the German security services have done a spectacularly bad job (way beyond Hanlon's razor) at preventing and prosecuting right-wing extremism, crime and terrorism for almost the entire existence of the BRD. The idea that the same security services who systematically covered for right-wing criminals run Antifa is just... I don't even know how you get that idea. Besides, the German police and justice system has been prosecuting Antifa and a large number of other left-wing organizations since always.
> Edit: forgot to mention: any notion that Antifa is a state-organized thing is misguided at best and wrong and in bad faith at worst. It's just not true.
I'm old enough and lefty enough to remember when antifa was Anti-Racist Action, and primarily skinheads concerned about Nazi skinheads. Glenn Beck really twisted the rightists' sense of history.
Who is this "Antifa" that you talk about? Are they in the room with us right now?
Calling the CCC a fascist organization is a pretty hot take that I haven't come across yet, I'll give you that, but as they say "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".
If you work at a large company and live in a large city then there are probably some in the room with you. Just spend a little time on twitter, people are proud to self identify as such.
I'd like to see some credible sources for this claim please.
My impression is that individuals involved and associated with the CCC are not only experts in their field they often also have good understanding of how society is being challenged by climate change, deforestation, pollution, urbanisation and individual transport.
> a state sponsored left wing terrorist organization
[citation needed]
I live next to a gathering point of leftist/antifa groups in Germany, and given the fact they are "state sponsered" they happen to get a lot of needlessly violent police response. I'd imagine a state which "sponsored" a group would protect them from the state's executive. Also the CCC publishes consistently statements that oppose the current German governments plans regarding internet and surveilance. What is the purpose of a state sponsoring a group that ridicules their badly thought out policies on a regular basis? If I were a state I would not sponsor people that constantly show my policies to be of farcially bad quality, but hey, maybe this makes sense in your world.
Next we could go for the term "terrorist organization". In Germany we have a Verfassungsschutzbericht ("Report of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution") which lists all the violent or terrorist acts on a yearly basis. The Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution is and has been known to be overyly critical of left wing organizations (so much for "state sponsored" antifa) while being blind to right wing violence like a literal murder series (NSU complex), also because the early officers working at that organization had Nazi roots. STILL the report of that organization shows that right wing terrorism is magnitudes more common and deadly than any left wing violence. So if Antifa is a terrorist group, they are not very good at terrorism, because they don't seem to have a lot of impact in the real physical world that anybody can measure. Leftist violence is mostly against property or rightwing opponents. Right wing violence is against intellectuals, writers, journalists, migrants, politicians and of course leftists. Or you know, maybe the whole terrorism label is a bit far fetched for what I perceived as a more or less disorganized mess of leftist splintergroups full of edgy teens.
So we have a wrong claim of state sponsorship and a wrong claim of "terrorism", which mean I would not be too confident in the third point you are making there.
The CCC certainly leans left. So what? A lot of educational elite groups in Central Europe do. That is quite normal. If you were to ask the CCC they'd probably argue that in the US hackers are surprisingly comfy to be that close to the intelligence community and the state (which is precisely what you accuse the CCC of by being "state sponsored").
Funny how throughout my over 11k karma points the only comments that get downvoted without reply or clarification are ones that underline slightly left leaning viewpoints with facts.
I'd love to know the factually wrong parts of what I say, so I can avoid saying it in the future and maybe even adjust my world view accordingly. This happens with many issues I discuss, but when it comes to (on the european political spectrum) slightly left leaning topics there will always be certain people that downvote based on political orientation alone.
I think generally what we see as "slightly left leaning" ends up being "extreme left leaning" seen from the eyes of the US, as "center" politics in Europe would still be considered "left" in the US.
Basically, the baseline of the entire country leans so far right, that anything outside of the right seems at least slightly "leftists" in US politics.
All true, no worries. You cannot change world views.. to me it is always and everytime again really amazing how much some even generally liberal people, especially in the US, despite sometimes non-arguable facts.. as soon as it is a bit left (or not even that, just labelling it as such) it just either cannot be, or must be bad.
In addition the CCC is a regular contributor to parliamentary hearings - be it investigatory committees or in the context of new or revised legislation. They are an active part of society and their voice is being heard.
and because i followed the clink and clicked the poster link I see "This account was suspended following an FBI request. Please contact the support team. "
