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Rich Salz to OpenSSL: Please change your mind (openssl.org)
85 points by dogecoinbase on Oct 29, 2021 | hide | past | favorite | 23 comments


Regarding Rich Salz’s closing remark “No matter how far down the wrong road you've gone, turn back.", I, for one, have seen this remark made before elsewhere.

it was in Tomas Mraz’s email signature. Mr. Mraz is working as a contractor for OpenSSL Project. His stint was working for Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Czech branch as a maintainer of cryptography-related pacakages, but it wasn’t a paid position much less full-time.

Now Mr. Mraz started works recently as a cybersecurity auditor for National Cyber and Information Security Agency, Czechoslovakia (unkib.cz). His first paid security-related job outside of OpenSSL, presumably.

I suspect that there is a indirect jab in there somewhere and not directed against Mr. Mraz either.


Just letting you know that Czechoslovakia does not exist any more. A few decades ago it became Czech republic and Slovak republic.

It’s fascinating to me how people don’t know this.


I was browsing some Time magazines from the 1960s and was surprised such a known magazine was using Russia instead of USSR in myriads of articles. I guess the same goes here.


Russia existed throughout the 1960s (and indeed, for quite a while before that). It was a member of the USSR, but that didn't stop it from existing. Like how Scotland exists, despite being a part of the UK.


Also, England vs. the UK, Holland vs. the Netherlands and the US vs. America


> I suspect that there is a indirect jab in there somewhere and not directed against Mr. Mraz either.

Mraz is not a member of the OMC, so the jab wasn't at him :)


Really good read on this recently, "The QUIC API OpenSSL Will Not Provide"[1].

Having read that, very nice to see this, a proper more directly targeted plea for sensibility go out.

[1] https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/10/25/the-quic-api-openssl-... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29038728


Maybe the HN title can be "Please change your mind about QUIC", since that's what most of it is about.


If you read the proposed project plan, OpenSSL next couple of releases are in fact "all about QUIC" So asking I thought the Subject line was accurate.


I am confused: I thought just days ago the curl author was upset that OpenSSL had decided to stop working on QUIC, but now someone is pleading with them to stop working on QUIC, as if they were still working on QUIC, but I thought they weren't working on QUIC anymore?

(FWIW, as a user of OpenSSL, I am on team "don't put QUIC in OpenSSL". If they are going to prioritize anything, it should be DTLS 1.3.)


There was a patch that adds QUIC support, but recently steering committee have announced that they are not going to merge it and will implement their own version instead.


Just get your openssl QUIC support here: https://github.com/quictls/openssl


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This is a letter about governing; it's inherently political. People do tend to take offense when their decisions are being questioned, and Rich is being polite. Nothing wrong with that.


>People do tend to take offense when their decisions are being questioned

Yes, your problem if your offended, not the writer other ones, the mail is fair polite and not aggressive, if your offended about fair personal criticism f*ck off and find another job.

Being offended by other/different opinions is what hitler, mao and stalin had in common.


> Being offended by other/different opinions is what hitler, mao and stalin had in common.

It sounds like you're offended by the author's other/different opinion on the matter.

> your problem if your offended, not the writer...

I see a significant amount of irony in someone getting very upset ("I hate", "fucking pc", "fuck off") over what someone says because they think that people should get less upset over what other people say.


> Being offended by other/different opinions is what hitler, mao and stalin had in common.

Wow. I wish I could favorite this comment.

Are you aware that the emotions you're feeling are neatly categorized as "offended by different opinions"? Do you see yourself as equivalent to mao/stalin/hitler? Asking out of morbid curiosity.


You actually can favorite comments in HN by clicking on the timestamp and then clicking favorite.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29042178


No premature apology comparing me to mao/stalin/hitler? Asking out of morbid curiosity.


Absolutely not, I wouldn't want to offend!


> Being offended by other/different opinions is what hitler, mao and stalin had in common.

It’s also what people offended by Hitler, Stalin, and Mao’s opinions about, e.g., correct behavior of the state have in common.


He didn't have to write it. He chose to because he was upset but still wanted to connect with the reader (not you the reader, but the actual intended recipient) and is exercising emotional intelligence and compassion. Something an emotionally-reactionary half-wit could benefit greatly from learning.


I agree, but that last sentence is unnecessary, throwaway account or not.


It has nothing to do with PC culture. People of all kinds get personally attached to things and take personal offense where none should exist.




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