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I have a friend whose 14-year-old daughter has been diagnosed with ODD. She frequently cuts herself with anything she can get her hands on and when she doesn't get her way she will literally spin around and around shouting and growling angrily for a quarter to a half hour like she's possessed, sometimes physically lashing out at her parents. It's terrifying to watch and is definitely not your garden variety skepticism of authority.


A implying B doesn't mean that B implies A.

That is, anti-authoritarians being diagnosed as mentally ill does not mean that mentally ill people are automatically anti-authoritarians.


You seem to believe that she is ill, but the only reason you provide is that she wants to take her life away. Proof.

Why did we invent that it's forbidden to take your life away? It's in all insurance contracts, in bank agreements, in many ToS; If a kid takes their life away then the parents are penaly responsible for not looking after; and if an elderly person becomes sick, then she's forever prevented from accessing the basic tools to end her life. For god's sake, and elderly person who lived 100 years, let her die when she thinks it's time to, even if it's messy.

As much as solitary confinement is a form of torture - as much as prison, actually (once again, we'll keep you forcefully alive while in prison, because you must endure the torture we've assigned to you), keeping people alive when they want to die is another form of torture.

So I'm very sorry but that 14-year-old girl might being tortured by the requirement of staying alive.


I don't see any mention in the parent post about suicidal ideation. Self-harm != desire to kill yourself.

Also lumping together wanting to kill yourself because you are experiencing severe physical pain (old people with terminal illness), psychological pain through torture (certain prison confinements), and mental disorders is a gross over simplification. This isn't a binary issue. We shouldn't say people are never allowed to commit suicide or people are always allowed to commit suicide without us trying to intervene to improve their quality of life.




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