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Are you sure? What about a stand of trees whose consciousness might just run extremely slowly compared to ours?

About as sure as one can be. It's neither logically nor physically impossible, but the claim that trees are conscious is practically unfalsifiable and is not supported by any substantive evidence. It has nothing to do with "fast" or "slow," no matter how you poke or prod or slice or dice a tree, there's nothing that suggests a capacity for consciousness. I would be less surprised if my friend's dog started speaking perfect Chinese with an American accent.

They are struggling to find VMS savvy people and willing to undertake training along with a pay bump. I would expect they aren’t the only ones doing some quiet hiring like this

Interesting. I'll see if I can find something on LinkedIn, so far only IBM mainframes I think, and unfortunately I didn't have time to go through their courses, yet, my bad. I see that you are in Australia, so I guess Canada also has something.

Thank you!


I’ll acknowledge there’s a real risk that taking this u turn will be a career killer but it’s one I’m willing to take

If I were in your shoes, I'd do projections for retiring today, +1 year, +2 years, +5 years, +10 years, etc. Maybe a few more intermediate values.

Then you'll have a better idea of how managable it would be if your career was killed, and how much you need to worry about it. But given they're offering an increase in pay, and training, chances are the need is real and may last longer than you're willing to do it.

Also, after you've migrated the system, you'll have useful knowledge for that company, in that you probably deeply understand their business logic. And you'll gave useful knowledge for other companies, in that they want to leave VMS behind too.


Exactly. I really think a place to sit this out for a while would be a good idea for me. Ironically part of my job is getting reluctant developers onboard with GitHub copilot but it’s a dance I’d rather watch from the sidelines for a bit

The conversation I had with the CIO has me convinced they’re committed. I think his timeline is ambitious but doable. I think it’s a safe bet and would suit me despite having not touched VMS since the 1980s.

You’re points are valid and will make sure I consider them properly


Sounds like you’ve done your homework. I’d say trust your gut and good luck with it

Ok that is an encouraging take thankyou

Tell me more about this

Termux, SimH, VAX780 emulator, OpenVMS 7.2 takes about 5.4 Gb for all of it. The tricky bits were getting gcc to work and compile SimH. I imported a set of virtual system disks that I had already installed OpenVMS 7.2 on to from my desktop machine. The huge obstacle there is getting a system license key. There are key generators in the wild.

I can telnet in to the virtual VAX from my other PCs.

One caution, updating Termux removes all your data. I lost a VAX that way once. 8(


Hmm looks like a good place to start although I won’t put it on my phone. Will try something like that in my home lab thanks for the reply

This is where my head is at right now. I don’t feel quite so crazy now.

Other people already answered but windows was just another personality on the original idea that cutler had for WNT. It just took a while for it to get implemented as a linux

The Showstoppers book by G. Pascal Zachary is an entertaining account of NT uprising.

Ha ha doing Unix like it was 1989. At the time I thought configure was the greatest of human achievements since I was distributing software amongst Sun machines of varying vintage and a Pyramid. I want to say good times but I prefer now ha ha

autotools felt old even in 90's

Autotools was designed to produce a configure script with zero dependencies other than the compiler toolchain itself. I always thought it would be a good way to bootstrap a system configuration database (like the kind X11 already had, the name I forget) but it turned out to be too convenient to just drop autotools into every project instead.

So now even today, compiling any GNU package means probing every last feature from scratch and spitting out obscenely rococo scripts and Makefiles tens of thousands of lines long. We can do better, and have, but damn are there a lot of active codebases out there that still haven't caught up.


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