> Anonymity isn't forgiveness, it's simply avoiding consequence. Forgiveness is a real world social transaction that can only be granted to real world identities, which presupposes an awareness on the part of the offending person and a willingness to change their behavior.
why the necessity of changing the behavior of them who receive the forgiveness?
the requirement of having a "willingness to change their behavior" tickles my funny sense (it raises a warning flag from me) because it prepares a bridge (a connection, a pathway) to control by means of forgiving which does not feel correct to me.
but I'm still trying to understand the general concept of forgiveness.
I agree that anonymity is not exactly forgiveness in principle. but functionally, and on the internet, something similar is accomplished by anonymity and by social forgiveness in real-world interaction.
Maybe the main difference between anonymity online and face-to-face forgiveness is the awareness of the actors involved? with anonymity you're not really forgiving anybody personally because you don't know who they are; this is reminiscent of how we don't have to 'forgive' the ground if we ever trip and get hit in the knees by the ground or something.
but the functional contribution of both forgiveness and online anonymity is a capacity to absorb mistakes. to withhold (or delay) the application of "justice" (but in practice it's usually some sort of revenge or token scapegoating) because it does make sense to do it like this.
but this is not trivial to explain; hence the complexity around explaining (and understanding) the principles of forgiveness....
"Forgiveness" seems to be at least two separate but related things.
1. A willingness not to dwell on the past.
2. A relief from a sense that the past is causing present harms.
(1) applies largely to the person doing the forgiving, and (2) to the person being forgiven, but they are intertwined.
The "necessity of changing the behavior" affects both. If the behavior is still going on, then it doesn't matter if they've been forgiven for past transgressions. And if the person desires to believe that the past isn't still causing harm, then continuing to cause that harm undermines that.
You can frame it as a devious matter of "control" if you want, but we're talking about a conflict here. The person granting forgiveness wants a thing to change. They don't suddenly have omnipotent power to enforce that change. They merely have a way of framing the question.
If you don't care to be forgiven, there's nothing that can be done. If you have caused harm and don't mind continuing to be harm, then the second part of my formulation simply doesn't apply to you.
It leaves the first half, and they can do their best. It will almost certainly involve removing themselves from the situation, as best they can. That can have consequences for the person doing the harm, and if that matters to them they may reconsider. But that's not a magical control over them.
I have never been able to buy anything from eBay successfully, either it's fraud, or customs-postage get so fucking idiotic they demand more in fees than the cost of the item... never again, not like it ever worked for me
why do you think their goal is to do what their propaganda says it is??
clearly if their real objectives weren't getting accomplished they would have changed their strategy already, therefore the war on drugs has not failed it's just that the real objectives are not what we were told
I heard on a Joe Rogan Podcast with a CIA 'influencer' that the Federal Reserve is now laundering cartel money through Colorado's legal pot dispensaries
People who want to study physics want to understand such theories, so would be heavily incentivised by the market.
The reason it isn't taught this way is because it's generally not seen as an efficient route, and you can understand such theories by studying them directly and in a logical progression.
What's important about the old books and theories is that they teach you that science is invention and discovery and being wrong, not memorizing rules and solving already -solved puzzles. If you only learn from modern textbooks, you get the wrong impression that these biblical tomes are what science is. Science is about finding patterns and creating order out of chaos, not memorizing the order someome else creaymtes.
They don't teach you that any more than current books do.
You might gain that because you compare the two and notice the old books are obviously wrong against new data ... something the current books happily tell you too.
why the necessity of changing the behavior of them who receive the forgiveness?
the requirement of having a "willingness to change their behavior" tickles my funny sense (it raises a warning flag from me) because it prepares a bridge (a connection, a pathway) to control by means of forgiving which does not feel correct to me.
but I'm still trying to understand the general concept of forgiveness.
I agree that anonymity is not exactly forgiveness in principle. but functionally, and on the internet, something similar is accomplished by anonymity and by social forgiveness in real-world interaction.
Maybe the main difference between anonymity online and face-to-face forgiveness is the awareness of the actors involved? with anonymity you're not really forgiving anybody personally because you don't know who they are; this is reminiscent of how we don't have to 'forgive' the ground if we ever trip and get hit in the knees by the ground or something.
but the functional contribution of both forgiveness and online anonymity is a capacity to absorb mistakes. to withhold (or delay) the application of "justice" (but in practice it's usually some sort of revenge or token scapegoating) because it does make sense to do it like this.
but this is not trivial to explain; hence the complexity around explaining (and understanding) the principles of forgiveness....
keeps thinking