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Except it would be very weird goal to achieve because it's only give more reasons to bomb whole country into oblivion and justify deployment of ground troops.

They’re at war. The US and Israel are bombing everything anyway.

Strategically, Diego Garcia is a forward operating base for irreplaceable B-52 and B-2 bombers. Placing them at risk on the ground seems like a reckless call, more likely the US pulls those resources back to the US.

I’m not rooting for Iran, but since the US has who they have making the calls, Iran has obvious strategic cards to play - escalation benefits them.


one missile fails, the other is intercepted

your conclusion: US will pull those resources back?


As a defender, you only need to fail once. Blow up a few B-2s on the ramp and that becomes a event with unlimited bad potential.

By the time it takes the missiles to reach there, the planes could be in the air.

Could be. But won't be. The flying time to target is mere minutes, and taking the plane from zero (not even crew inside) to air takes much longer than that.

There is probably a hardline faction within Iran that still thinks it gains from further bombing and forced isolation.

Why would Iran end up further isolated due to this war, and out of escalation? (your sentence is slightly ambiguous so I assume that you are referring to it.) If it successfully asserts control over the Strait as it seems to presently be doing, it should be able to negotiate a peace favorable to itself. Even with the status quo, I don't know how that figures into things, but the US has temporarily lifted sanctions on Iranian oil.

I don't follow the news very well, but from what I know the claim that you make isn't very obviously true but needs some evidence for it to stand.


I think this is the elephant in the roomt - in terms of quantifiable goals, Iran is winning this thing. I think they're going to want to punish the US and Israel to an extent where they will be reluctant to feel this particular sting again, and they want to assert their ability to control the strait. And it's working! They're clearly demonstrating that the US cannot simply decide when this is over and dictate terms, because Iran can pinch off an important vein of global commerce and probably sustain that pressure for far longer than it can be tolerated by other economies.

They've already gotten one concession in terms of this temporary sanctions relief, even as Trump frames it as a domestic emergency measure and repeatedly declares total victory each day of the conflict. They also got him to back off on targeting their power plants by promising to retaliate in kind against the power infrastructure of US aligned states in range.

I think the US has the ability to beat Iran in a fight, but it does not have the preparation or the resolve to do so at this time, because this is some halfcocked nonsense plan with amorphous goals that they thought would be over in a week.


Not without 100K coffins. And that doesn't really sell all that well in the US.

Yep. The IRGC runs the country at this point, and they do not have anyone else's best interests in mind.

maybe they aren't as worried about that as they should be. maybe america isn't as worried about that as it should be.

but, what are you saying? it would be weird for iran to act in a way that might provoke escalation? you mean in the totally unprovoked war israel/america launched against them?


I don't know which country you're from, but in most countries, "our troops may get bombed if we join this war" is a very strong public argument against joining the war.

Just look at Trump's latest attempt to enlist his "allies" into sending warships to the Strait of Hormuz, and what a resounding success it was.


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Maintaining peace is not the same as restoring peace. Perhaps the American executive should have extrapolated the consequences of their actions using a model of the real world and not the fever dream they seem to be in. I am all for the Europeans standing their ground and not letting themselves get dragged into a conflagration not of their desiring nor of their making.

Trump and co are finding out that FAFO goes both ways. Much to the cost of all of us, Americans, Iranians, Europeans and the rest of us.


When the Nazi regime proliferated, do you think the allies considered it of their own desire or their own making? Should they have prevented themselves from getting dragged into WW2? Or was it good they allowed themselves to get dragged into WW2 and disarm the Nazi regime?

Suppose the Allies just moved away and made "lebensraum" for the Nazi regime, would you have called it "standing their ground and not letting themselves get dragged into a conflagration not of their desiring nor of their making" ??

I think most people would understand a different course of action when reading "standing ground"...

Of course there are costs that come with peace, and if we postpone those costs for too long, the average expenditure can rise compared to timely intervention.


The Germans attacked Poland. It was only then the allies got involved.

WW2 had a clear bad side. This conflict doesn't have any clear good or bad sides. The only expansionist party in any case in this conflict is Israel.

I'm explaining why a European holds this position, Iran approaching nuclear weapons capability, approaching ICBM launch capability, approaching re-entry vehicle capability is the "lebensraum" we shouldn't tolerate.

Watching from the sidelines disapprovingly, while benefiting in this sense from the US/Israeli mission objectives, and even being "willing to go as far as" effectively posing in a security theater role (since a single shot fired would imply abortion of the mission), wasting tax payer money on symbolic gestures, is what I protested.

But it matters little now, European countries are starting to turn around and think a little deeper than the b-hurt mentioned earlier.


Lebensraum? Lebensraum is a very nice word. Israel has been the only country in this that is engaging in Lebensraum. Europe would have negative benefit in joining a stupid war created by fanatical Israeli and American governments.

I don't vouch for the incentives nor actions of Israel, I vouch for why a nonzero number of Europeans (including me) think Europe should get involved in disarming Iran, and prevent it from attaining the "lebensraum" to threaten Europe with nuclear weapons.

Why not? Then I should in WW2 times have said we must oppose jews and work our hardest to disarm jews and their defenders. Hitler did Lebensraum? I don't vouch for the incentives nor actions of Israel.

You seem to have some kind of hallucinatory issue where you see chemical weapons where there are none, and accuse a country that has never done and shown no signs of Lebensraum of doing so while completely ignoring the only country in that region actively doing Lebensraum.

If you worry about Lebensraum you should be working urgently to control and make toothless the only country thats actually doing Lebensraum, not live in made up stories with of your own making that have absolutely zero even speculative sense and getting scared off of them.


> Why not? Then I should in WW2 times have said we must oppose jews and work our hardest to disarm jews and their defenders. Hitler did Lebensraum? I don't vouch for the incentives nor actions of Israel.

I don't understand your argument?

> You seem to have some kind of hallucinatory issue where you see chemical weapons where there are none, and accuse a country that has never done and shown no signs of Lebensraum of doing so while completely ignoring the only country in that region actively doing Lebensraum.

If you believe such discussion would be fruitful I am more than willing to describe what I see when, and how I collate evidence and arrive at my conclusions. I did ask you if you watched the long multi-segment version of Mahsa Amini at the fashion police, or just a short one.

Also take note that anyone else reading along will think it strange that of all possible manners of dying you mentioned the right mode before I mentioned it to you, basically saying you also see it.

It seems you don't understand the concept of lebensraum, I'm not worried about European lebensraum you seem to be referring to: while we failed to learn our lesson after WW1, the mandatory education programmes after WW2 seem to have worked much better, and European nations haven't been lobbing chemical weapons at each other for roughly 100 years now, it works, and we know it works, we disapprove of Iran's regime, not because of their religion (there are muslims in the West as well), not because of skin tone, nor because of the oil under their feet, we disapprove of Iran's regime because we recognize our former collective selves (by education, since almost every direct witness has withered away by the passage of time).

I'm worried about Iran's concept of "lebensraum" involving the capability to threaten Europe with nuclear weapons. Yes Russia, Pakistan, India, China, ... can already do that. Our inability to disarm established nuclear powers should not be confused for acceptance of upcoming nuclear powers. If we can nip those in the bud, we could, we should and I assure you we will.


>I don't understand your argument?

Yes, you seem to be having some issue with your glasses or monitor today, so I will just write it again to make it clearer.

Israel is the only country in this conflict who has and is engaging in Lebensraum.

I think your problem with your monitor might cover a large swath of the screen so it is beneficial for me to repeat the key text a few more times, so that it has a better chance of getting past your screen's problems:

Israel is the only country in this conflict who has and is engaging in Lebensraum.

Israel is the only country in this conflict who has and is engaging in Lebensraum.

Israel is the only country in this conflict who has and is engaging in Lebensraum.

Israel is the only country in this conflict who has and is engaging in Lebensraum.

>Also take note that anyone else reading along will think it strange that of all possible manners of dying you mentioned the right mode before I mentioned it to you, basically saying you also see it.

That's because its the only logical reading of your brain machinations I can think of when seeing a video of a person fainting, when literally no other news in the world seems to say chemical weapons about her, even if it mentions chemical attacks on other people. Again, you have another weird thing where you feel a country would bring out obscure chemical war agents just to kill a single person. Chemical agents are for the battlefield to kill thousands of people. For a single person, any perfectly mundane poison or chemical is fine even if that were actually the case.

Who said anything about European Lebensraum?

Israel is ALREADY AND EXPLICITLY ENGAGING IN LEBENSRAUM. Israel is the only country doing lebensraum. Iran has shown no interest in Lebensraum. If you are so concerned about Lebensraum, go attack Israel and decapitate their military capabilities.

Both Iran and Israel are governed by religious fanaticism, if you wish to twist and redefine Lebensraum to be something ridiculous it clearly isn't then Israel is engaging in DOUBLE LEBENSRAUM, not just the original Hitleric definition of Lebensraum but also your completely made up imaginary definition of Lebensraum. Again, go launch a military campaign against Israel if you are so worried about that.

Since you love puzzles so much, I will give you a much better puzzle with clear objective answers. Tell me who said this quote, and whether the nations he mentioned have ever threatened his country:

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force."


It's Martin van Creveld, an Israeli military theorist and military historian.

To my knowledge European nations have never threatened his country, if you mean the modern state of Israel.

If you refer to the holocaust during WW2, then yes multiple European nations were collaborators and participated in the holocaust.

If you refer to earlier events, then also yes, there is a long history of persecution and Diaspora.

As I said, there are many nations that possess nuclear weapons, the non-proliferation treaties don't describe how to treat possessors of nuclear weapons, it describes agreements on how to prevent new nations from acquiring the capability.

Can you please tell me if you watched the long multi-segment video of the surveillance footage surrounding Mahsa Aminis death, or just the single scene of her collapse?


So you are embarrassed that your leaders don't want their soldiers to die in a war started by another country without providing any semblance of justification?

...I'm just glad that European politicians take their soldiers' lives more seriously than the court of public opinions. Well, at least some of them. That's the mark of being an adult.


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> I think many in the Pentagon are relieved that they were finally able to convince a president of what needed to be done a long time before

Like your other comments, this is abjectly false. Our generals and admirals specifically warned against going to war with Iran.


I am willing to hear you out on this, but the Pentagon employs a lot of personnel, can you demonstrate that the sentiment you describe was actually representative?

Clearly those who do believe in this intervention don't have the same incentive to speak up as those that disagree with it.

It is also rather vague to conflate warnings with disagreement:

They can believe in the validity of an approach but still have the legal obligation to not just inform the president of the values and benefits of such a mission, but also warn him of any potential negative outcomes.

Warning someone about a path of action, is not equivalent to disagreeing with that path of action, it can be their job description to provide such warnings.

That said, I would like to read more about what you are referring to, to make sure we are talking about the same things.



From your own source:

> Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Dan Caine has been advising President Trump and top officials that a military campaign against Iran could carry significant risks, in particular the possibility of becoming entangled in a prolonged conflict, according to two sources with knowledge of those internal discussions.

"that a military campaign against Iran could carry significant risks, "

specifically

"could carry"

Sounds like people doing their job, and informing a president of potential outcomes, precisely what I predicted above. The media always makes things seem more adversarial than what it turns out to be.


Your comments make it clear that you are a propagandist and maybe even a bot. I assume that you can comprehend English, but are choosing to be obtuse. If that is not the case, and you still cannot understand the warnings, ask Claude or some other AI to help you.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47471826

Iran doesn't have nukes and had agreed to never build any, they fully complied with all audits.

You seem extremely confused, its really strange why you aren't demanding completely bombing and destroying the actual nukes in the only Middle Eastern country that has illegal nukes.


Hah, I'm so used to thinking about these missiles as conventional that I forgot it actually means Iran was building the capability to nuke Europe. Or more accurately - to deter Europe with nukes while they export terrorism globally.

The only Middle Eastern country that has illegal nukes and doesn't deny the theories that they would nuke the whole world, including innocent countries when they felt "threatened" and they feel threatened by anything and everything, is not Iran.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you don't really believe the nonsesne you are writing, and just trolling.

It's not just about Iran, there are videos of some Israeli people bragging about how they throw rocks and fire grenades and rockets at Palestinian settlements, its quite clear that some people including elements of government and military have become quite deranged, which is all the more concerning given their lack of comment clarifying they don't believe in Samson option. Obviously if it was a question like "Do you think Jews control the world and own all the banks?" would be ridiculous question unworthy of an answer, but asking if the Samson option is real or false is a perfectly reasonable question especially given Israeli elements like Pollard are claiming that more extreme version of the option as true. The modern Israeli government has a policy of declaring anything and everything antisemitic, and obviously, the next step after "knowing" something is sufficiently anti semitic is some kind of military action as evidenced by the events of past few years.

Iran has always obliged with inspections of its nuclear program. It has never built any nukes. It had agreed to stop refining nuclear materials in negotiations, and then America and Israel backstabbed it and attacked Iran during the negotiations, to also speak nothing of the various times Israeli military action killed negotiators in progress.

In light of all this, it is now upon you to tell me which is false and which is "trolling".


Which part do you think is wrong?

Do you believe Israel doesn't have illegal nukes? Or are you thinking Israel hasn't yet clarified or denied the extreme version of the so called Samson policy?


Why would wanting to die for a war caused by America and Israel be a "show of strength", that'd instead be a show of being fucking chumps esp after America continually insulted and threatened them. I do think Europe has a potential good role they can commit, and that would be in solving the major nuclear threat in the Middle East: to make public and decommission or transfer in safe keeping all the illegal nukes Israel has.

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> Wow, it is clear that you are trolling and acting as a propagandist.

Asking a question about how Mahsa Amini died is not trolling or propaganda, its not even a statement, but a question.

> You do know that you can be against violence, hatred and bigotry in general, and not just that of your ‘enemies’, right?

I know that, but can you please answer the question, it is you who brought up the matter of critical thinkink skills after all.


> I know that

Do you? Your whataboutism and dismissing concerns about this war as being butthurt is the dumbest and most morally bankrupt response anyone can make. I absolutely condemn the Iranian regime for what they have done, but that in no way excuses what the Israeli and US regimes have done. This was an unnecessary, unprovoked, world-destabilizing and ultimately counterproductive war. Please stop


LMFAO I had tried to engage him since he was insisting so much I thought he might have something of substance. This is what I got at the end of that hole:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47482420

Another fun interaction:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47488236


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Obviously, I heartily condemn all attempts by Iranian government to execute peaceful civilians in foreign countries just like I heavily condemn Israel's illegal assassinations of peaceful civilian scientists in Iran and worldwide. In both cases, the perpetrators must be brought to a neutral country and punished.

> I am not asking you if you condemn what happened to her, I think everyone condemns the fact she died in the hands of the regime,

to which you respond:

> Obviously, I heartily condemn all attempts by Iranian government to execute peaceful civilians in foreign countries

So you change the question from "what actually happened to Mahsa Amini?" to "would you condemn?" even though I predict that any responder already agrees with me and condemns her death in the hands of the regime.

Mahsa Amini was not in a foreign country from the perspective of Iran.


That's nothing, Israelis happily kill their own Prime Ministers. But obviously I condemn Iran and I condemn Israel killing peaceful civilians, the law and the morality applies to all. I mentioned killing civilians in foreign countries as it is strictly worse, as bad as killing innocent people in your own country is, at least it also does not involve the violation of sovereignty and peace of random foreign countries.

It is well known that IDF also uses civilians as human shields, so it is quite strange that you only mention the evils and immoral acts committed by one country and not both. None of the countries in that region are very nice by Western standards.


But what if the Mahsa Amini's case is not just a sad death in the hands of the regime, but also a violation of a treaty which Iran has signed?

If it is the ICCPR, then it appears Israel is also a signer and as I said Israel is equally prone to violations of human rights on and off of its territory. So again I do not see what was the point of specifically calling out Iran for it.

I am referring to a different treaty, which you would realize if you took over from beedeebeedee to look up the video of Mahsa Amini's death and analyzed it critically.

All I can see is a video of a woman supposedly fainting and then this being declared her death.

If you are trying to insinuate some absurd nonsense like this is evidence of chemical weapons, then be straight. I don't see anything about her cause of death other than speculating police brutality.


chemical weapon is precisely what it is

did you see the longer multi-segment video, or just the single scene where she collapses?


You tell me, you are saying something which literally no news website is saying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_schoolgirls_mass_poiso...

This doesn't mention Mahsa and claims this was done without the state's knowledge by random actors. And that it's most probably some random household agent not nErVe gAs.

Again, you tell me what is the significance of all this to the Iran-Israel war which Israel started not Iran. Both countries are shitholes, I don't have any particular love for either.


Since we are doing wild theories, let us add some more of our own.

Mossad and its private arms are doing covert operations to corrupt European elections, oh wait, they are already doing so. Israel is spraying chemical weapons on neighboring countries crops, oh wait they are already doing so. Israel has 400 nuclear warheads, oh wait they already do.

Strange, I didn't seem to need to go to even speculations and unverified theories to get to these. I wonder how far we can get the tally if go into speculations.


> Asking a question about how Mahsa Amini died is not trolling or propaganda, its not even a statement, but a question.

Indeed, it is trolling, even if you think it's not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning


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> By such definition, all of science is "sealioning"

You are taking an overly literal interpretation of my comment and offering more sophistry in response. Apologies for the short reply but none of the rest seems relevant.


Definitions are to be taken literally yes, otherwise its not a good definition.

That is true, but I did not use your comment to define sealioning. Instead, I offered a definition and said that it matches a particular behavior. To claim that I am including scientific research in that definition is to claim the behavior in question as such. Hence, why I disregarded the rest of that comment as further sophistry: you seem to be arguing because you want to appear smart or correct more than you want to be so. As I said in my initial comment, you do not need to intend to troll in order to troll.

Not really. Because no one in Europe wants to bomb Iran into oblivion, if for no other reason but the fact that the Europeans (and Turkey) would face another massive refugee crisis.

The only people wanting to continue this war are the U.S. and Israel (and maybe Saudi Arabia?) and even Trump is clearly looking for an off ramp.

This is most likely a way for Iran to tell Europe to do what they can to end this otherwise they will drag Europe into this mess as well.


> and maybe Saudi Arabia?

The war is extremely bad for business for Saudi Arabia and has already cost them enormous amounts of money. It is causing damage to their oil refineries that will take years to repair.

The only person who gains anything out of this is Netanyahu and his friends. Everyone else loses, including the Israeli people.


That is so because of Iran's choice of targets. SA might have misjudged that their business assets would be attacked.

There is some chatter that crown prince supported and approved the assassination of Khamenei and possibly supplies supportive intelligence.

They haven't been exactly friendly with Iran.

The odd ball is Qatar. Qatar had been working hard to have friendly relations with Iran. So I was surprised by Iran's attack on Qatari interests.


This is what actually happened, but not what was predicted.

According to journalists, it was Saudis who have been trying for a long time to convince Trump to attack Iran.

Sunni vs. Shia, there is a history there.


There are unfortunately plenty of idiots in Europe who learned nothing from accompanying the USA on their previous illegal adventures abroad.

Europe to do what to stop the war? EU cant even stop war on their own borders. And we seen what Trump buddies think about EU in their leaked Signal chat.

Also it's not like EU and UK actually have any military capacity to bomb Iran even if they wanted because again everything they do have is going to Ukraine already.


Next step after age verification through ID will be making sharing of computer with others illegal. And Right to Read was already written back in 1997:

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html


Dont bother. Even when works iPhone mirroring is unreliable and buggy experience, often asks to unlock iPhone again and sync gets broken at random and you have to go over enabling it again even though phone was next to the Mac mini all the time.

One of the worst supported features Apple has shipped. Idea was good though.


Seriously. I mainly want to use iPhone mirroring for when my iPhone isn't sitting right next to me. It then nearly always asks me to unlock my iPhone first before I can use it....


> Instead of being a problem solver you start to become a problem hunter, and you invent them in order to solve them

Generic problem of any Linux newbie. You get good at solving problems and it's so enjoyable so you end up creating more of them.


Cough factorio cough :)


Or kubernetes, the factorio for Ops


As someone with a default mode network that is stuck in the "on' position, that game is the only one that I had to quit playing for my mental health.


However here it is not the user solving the problems.

The only thing they solved is remembering "hey, I can use an AI for that".


Joke? Or someone really dont know it's his account?


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While this is a real problem and I do have relative who had this issue like this there are ways to get new UK passport without paying £600 or changing legal name in other country.

It's just take digging in government rules and arguing. As long as it's not the first UK passport it's doable.


I'd love to hear any advice on that!

My friend went round and round and sent many documents back and forth for over a year trying to renew her British passport, to no eventual avail. UK authorities were extremely unsympathetic and unhelpful. The offending "misnamed" foreign passport was long expired and French authorities required a valid British passport to renew it - she was left without any passport at all for over a year, until the French took pity and provided an alternate path to renew her French passport.


Hey. I will ask how exactly it was solved and try to reply here in a day or two. My relative is woman so problem was that she had her original name in a passport from country of origin and UK passport had her name after marriage.


> Or are the capabilities of Gemini and AI systems in general being oversold?

I pretty much sure that if anyone asked Gemini "Is it good idea to retroactively opt-in new services into for old API keys?" it would suggest it's bad idea. Problem is that no one asked.


I've learned repeatedly that LLMs are very susceptible to helpfully giving you the wrong answer when you're asking the wrong question, or asking it in the wrong way.


> A government could implement the equivalent of China's great firewall. Even if it doesn't stop everyone, it would stop most people.

Porn is not just political information about human right abuses, government overreach or heavily censored overview of concentration camps for "group X". People can live just fine with government censorship buying into any kind of propaganda.

Kids would find a way to access porn though. Whatever it VPNs, tor or USB stick black market. Government cant even win war on drugs and you expect them to successfully ban porn. What a joke.


It's as easy as parents keeping the default router password, a kid logging in and then setting up port forwarding to a device on a port that they're running a server on, tied to their current residential ip, and then pinging their friends that ip and allowing them all to connect and download whatever files or upload whatever files. The peer-to-peer network could really start establishing itself in ephemeral and very hard to track ways. All you need is one kid with access to a vpn to torrent without copyright concerns to seed the network. Or one kid to get its parents to buy a domain and use that as an anchor so that the dns to ip is set behind the scenes for the peers.


It's fairly easy to "farm" real ID NFC data since majority of documents are not intended to be actual digital signing key. And on top of that AI is getting pretty good at generating face / video details to the point where simple biometric data verification is also quite useless.


Apple just gonna disable it for China like any other privacy feature.


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