Empathy, that is what you appear to be missing in your equation. If I see someone about to chuck a baby off a cliff, I hope I step out of my normal comfort zone and do something. In that case it is probably pretty clear, and this one seems grey for some people, but for others, and myself include, ICE is affecting people's lives in ways that is unacceptable and we need to do something.
Masked people rushing a car and drawing weapons and the driver panicking. Now ask me who appears to escalate the entire situation. Or what the actual penalty for impeding a lane of traffic is.
From what I've read, there was some kind of community watch and/or protest going on for ICE there, patrol cars, etc. But you're saying she had the suspicion that a few masked thugs had accidentally gotten lost within the police operation?
We are too far past the fascist crap too entertain this stupidity. I get it, you don't see a problem with any of it. Now go enjoy your dumb little life and I am going to go back trying to find ways to help make friends and family I have in the Minneapolis area feel safe again.
Everything is more nuanced than your all-or-nothing any of it designation.
You say that there was no getaway performed and the person trying to drive away wasn't aware that it was law enforcement that had ordered her to stay. Sure, she didn't deserve to die. But if you charge towards an officer, or reasonably appear to do so, then these things happen. Why didn't she peacefully stay put instead?
I've seen the actual videos. While tragic, then she was trying to drive away, not obeying the approaching officer's orders. At that moment, the officer towards she was driving was the one that shot her.
It also seemed that right before the event she was doing some kind of traffic regulation there which is why the officers approached her.
You can't start at the point the ICE agent had already set up his pretext to execute her. That's equivalent to equating legality with morality, which doesn't work when talking about what ought to be. Rather you have to examine the entire situation, which was an extreme escalation by ICE in response to what was essentially protesting.
There was no pretext to execute her. It's when she started driving (even spun the wheels I think) towards the officer were shots fired. In your mind, does police getaway equate with protesting now?
The pretext is deliberately standing in a position such that if the car moves he can claim to be acting in "self defense". This was directly contrary to ICE's own procedures about how to approach vehicles. This particular agent had even previously fucked around and found out about moving vehicles, so it's a reasonable assumption that this positioning was fully deliberate - the agent set the situation up so that he'd have an excuse to kill the next driver who didn't respect his authorituh.
If you look at the video, then the woman turns the front of the car towards the agent, who comes from the other side. Do you mean that he knew the movement that was going to happen and risked his life to do that.
Would you say the woman was in her right to attempt a getaway?
"As I said, you're starting at a point where the ICE agent had already set up his pretext to execute her."
Sitting in front of a screen and Monday-morning-quarterbacking, it's easy to say that driving off was wrong. But nobody really knows what they themselves would do in a fight or flight situation when being assaulted by a group of masked men, especially when one of the group is aggressive enough that they are indeed going to end up killing you.
The point is these "public servants" should not be escalating to create such high-stakes situations in the first place, especially with regards to citizens who are protesting. There is zero excuse for it, and under any halfway-sane administration such an event would be, at the very least, a moment of investigation and reflection.
Wut? You do realize that being in the presence of law enforcement officers is much different than the situation of being actively assaulted by them, right?
For example, the other day I interacted with a few police officers in person by virtue of being tangentially-involved with a car crash. I laughed and joked with them, then went about my business. But if they had instead been surrounding me with guns drawn, it would have taken me the rest of the day to come down from that.
When driving towards a law enforcement officer, it is you assaulting them, not the other way around. Fleeing is against the law as well. Why did the woman attempt this? Ot, if it was so dangerous, what was she doing there?
That's a weird way to frame the perspective of someone whose primary job responsibility is physical aggression. It's also not too hard to jump out of the way of a vehicle that you're focusing on if it starts moving. The argument you're effectively making is that the agent's positioning was entirely non-deliberate, even though he had been dragged by a car previously.
So the argument you are effectively making is that the police officer was planning to jump out of the way and this posed reasonably little health risk?
Do you think the shots through the driver window, after the agent was 100% out of the way of the vehicle, were justified?
From the medical examiner we know it was one of these two shots that killed her. We know they did not come in through the front windshield when the agent was at the front quarter panel. We see them clearly occur on video while the officer is definitively out of the path of the vehicle.
It also is quite clear from the results that shooting her did not make the situation safer after he was clear, either - it directly causes the car to accelerate while not under the control of a living human being.
Personally, I would still argue about even the first shot - but I have yet to be able to find any common ground in discussions with people that defend the 2nd and 3rd shot.
Wokwi seems to be the most popular Arduino-based one.
I'm not a huge fan of simulation for cases like this. The arduino forums are full of "it worked in simulation, but not on my breadboard..." complaints.
Also, simulation won't teach you not to connect a 10ohm resistor across a 12V supply and then touch it. Or that capacitors may explode when connected in reverse polarity, or just how to be careful in general. There's a lot of stuff that should become second nature, but you'll only learn by connecting physical circuits.
