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What PG says is 100% true. I say this having done a startup in the space.

In a nut shell, you need roughly $1M upfront for legal fees to negotiate with the big four record labels (for an interactive service, not a non-interactive service like Pandora).


Can you define interactive and non-interactive for me?


Perhaps passive radio style listening vs random access is a better way of explaining it. I think.


Yeah, non-interactive is radio style listening whereas interactive the user gets to pick and choose what they want to hear on demand.

Interactive/non-interactive in this context are actually widely used terms in the digital music space.


Thanks for the details.

I guess I understand what you mean. Though I wouldn't use the words interactive/non-interactive. Pandora is quite interactive in a UI sense, even though you can't select tracks directly.


Well, we do have Grooveshark. But it probably won't last. :(


If it's lasted this long it will probably keep going for some time yet. They have a pretty clear song takedown policy, so any music being shared on grooveshark is likely being done so with the full consent of the label.

Grooveshark is also paying the music owners royalty from a share of their ad revenue.


The clock has already been ticking... [1]

[1] Universal Music Group Now "Declaring Legal Jihad" Against Grooveshark... http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/stories/090310groovesharkumg


Thanks for the link. I stand corrected.


IIRC, Grooveshark only pays EMI royalties, and UMG is taking them to court. Sony and Warner have no deals.

I'd be curious to see what Sony and Warner choose to do.


It doesn't matter. UMG is the elephant in the room, they'll do whatever UMG does.


Free happiness included!


I've done Daring Fireball several times for The Little App Factory (tlaf.com). While the immediate response is fairly good, I believe the real payoff is more long term. Publishers and the hardcore mac community notices what's advertised there and may be more inclined to write-up your product or service.


Note that you can bootstrap your way into this sort of effect by figuring out what your influencer of choice (blogger, NYT journalist, whatever) is likely to be searching for and then putting AdWords against it. Since they're often a bit smarter than the average bear and using longtail or obviously non-commercial queries, these are generally cheap as sin.

Then, rather than a landing page for a commercial service, you direct them to a page designed to elicit coverage of whatever it is that you're offering.

An example that I don't know that any SEO did so they won't be POed if I mention it: you know all the Facebook privacy hubub right now? I think it is quite likely that someone is out there looking for [facebook privacy quote]. If you're going to spend thousands on PR, why not spend a few tens on AdWords and have something responsive to that. It is very, very cheap if your page influences coverage at the NYT or pulls in links from bloggers.


Don't forget these are adword results and not organic. If I were researching a piece, I likelynwould steer away from "inorganic" results.


You are demonstrably savvier than some employees at the Grey Lady whose names you would almost certainly recognize.


FratMusic, LLC - http://fratmusic.com/

The site has 100k visits a day (started ~August '09), and a considerable amount of financing. We're looking for somebody to lead the day-to-day development for a good amount of equity or pay (your call). A good understanding of what makes a "complete" and usable consumer product is critical. Also, the backend is python / django.

And obviously, if you like music too... we'd really love to have you!

jobs@fratmusic.com


And to clarify: telecommuting works for us.


I feel bad posting this (and will be voted down probably), but why is this significant?


bit.ly appeared to be the front runner for an acquisition in that Twitter arena.

Their analytics are impressive:

http://bit.ly/info/cjwkQI

http://bit.ly/info/oQJM


Twitter already tried to acquire them and they declined the offer.


Whoops...


Source?


Thought it was just kind of well known. The first of many sources: http://www.businessinsider.com/google-and-twitter-wanted-to-...


and now there's a good chance you can walk into a random café and see someone using your product.. :)


Does that line of thought inevitably lead to nihilism? I mean, isn't life just as arbitrary?


Almost all of life is arbitrary and meaningless. Denying this is not particularly enlightened, and ultimately tends to get rejected by the intellectually curious. On the other hand, seeing absolutely no meaning results in wasted time. The least bad answer seems to be leading a balanced life, with a few elements that are very important, from which meaning is created.


so, to summarize, Yes but there's no point getting all upset about it.


Richard Dawkins has a quote along the lines of, "Why do we have to look at a beautiful planet and demand a reason behind its being here? Can't we appreciate it for what it is?"

So it is with life. Perhaps in the long run we'll all be dead and the universe will cave in, but in the meantime the things we do and say matter, and there is beauty in the world to appreciate. So I went to the boardwalk with my father and brother and we all had a terrific time, and having a good time was reason in itself to do it.

Once you give up the religious/gamers' view that everything you do has a score, you can appreciate things for what they are rather than for any ultimate result.


Life boils down to aesthetic choices, best as I can tell.


Thanks for your valuable feedback. :P


Thanks for the feedback.

Yes, there is a bookmarklet and we'll be adding it to the website soon (or straight into the app). If you want it now, add this to your bookmark bar:

javascript:document.location.href='evom://'+escape(document.location.href)

And we'll look into getting those popups fixed.


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