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I read an article sometime on 'the limits of Computation' or some such which stated even at moores law we would have substrate density of something approaching a singularity in something like 800 years. Does anyone remember this? Perhaps Imagine every post ai hard take off civilisation popping a new universe off in some other Brane or whatever but with their own slant on initial boundary conditions. Do you go with the flow in the main evolutionary branch or try for a fat tail with some revolutionary new thing (physics if you're really radical or just life chemistry if mearly genius). Or maybe you just want to stay home in computronium reality. Which is why the moon fits the sun..


He has made billions using twitter spamming Tesla and doge. It’s a playground for for the guy. And therefore cheap at almost any price. But of course why pay more than needed. On a more semi serious note: it must seem ludicrously easy for the guy. He has laid it all out: Mars needs: VTOL rockets since no infrastructure Methane due to atmospheric constraints Tunnels for transport see also infrastructure Starlink see also infrastructure Direct democracy via twitter ( imperator status exempt )

Have as many kids as possible since it’s obvious he will own the solar system. He ain’t gonna be that democratic therefore. Just another dynasty but maybe the last


> Direct democracy via twitter

He doesn't run any of his firms with direct democracy, why on earth would he run his Martian kingdom as one?


therefore of course he will buy it


If we assume single celled life is common, and exists in either all star systems, or in all systems without a hot Jupiter close to the star; then given the length of time involved here before eukaryotes, can we estimate how many planets in the galaxy have eukaryotes? Or how long it will be before some do? Presumably increasing the length of time increases the probability of occurrence as would increasing the number of stars involved. Though how can we know if the event was statistically likely after that amount of time or whether we are deviations from the centre of the distribution (other than observing the quiet galaxy). Surely we can have a rough idea now of where we stand


Maybe, but there are other narratives that are easy to spin. Our solar system has 3 planets all of which might have had single-celled organisms, at some point: Venus, Earth, and Mars. And for the first 3.7 billion years, the 3 planets might have followed a similar path. And then all 3 planets reach old age and basically die, Venus becoming too hot, while Earth and Mars become mostly dead ice covered snow balls. And maybe that is the normal history of most planets, even planets that develop single-celled life.

In that narrative, the emphasis is on the extraordinary re-birth of Earth, after the end of Snowball Earth. Almost everything that we regard as interesting about Earth happens after this late-in-its history revival. That raises some other questions, such as, why did Snowball Earth end? Why does multicellular life take off then, but not before? What is it that makes the Earth/moon system so unusually dynamic that it hasn't settled down to some dead equilibrium, even after 3.7 billion years? What allows Earth to have such an extraordinary additional era?


> can we estimate how many planets in the galaxy have eukaryotes?

Not yet. In the history of life on Earth, this has happened once. Knowing what we know about cellular biology, it’s stupidly unlikely. Beyond our present theories’ ability to quantify.

By the way, I think this is one of—if not the—great filters. It’s unlikely to happen, to not promptly get smote by its primordial planet’s tantrums and to get it so right it perpetuates for billions of years.


per the article, endosymbiosis has happened a bunch of times. multiple different kinds of chloroplasts, several prokaryotes, a parasite etc.

this was all when eukaryotes engulfed prokaryotes, but still, how does this mean unlikely? it seems imminently likely, since.. it happened a bunch of times.

seems to me like prokaryotes evolve a strategy of engulfing others for their resources, then one day engulf a prokaryote infected by a virus, which transfers DNA across, rinse and repeat.

how is this more of a filter than abiogenesis?


> how is this more of a filter than abiogenesis?

Common chemistries get us very close to molecular systems subject to evolutionary pressure. (Simplest: RNA world hypothesis.) We are missing links. But the pathway is plausible.

Chloroplasts, as you mention, are a potent counter argument. But once you have surplus cellular energy, additional endosymbiosis has a lower threshold. Based on current research, all life has a similar mitochondria. Different kingdoms didn’t nom their own and go. That uniqueness suggests difficulty.


Or simply that success produces logarithmic returns: in the context of when this was happening, the first species to do it rapidly outcompeted all others and functionally ended exploration of the possibility space.


The thing that only happened once on Earth and that's a prerequisite to developing complex life forms is not endosymbiosis, it's life going multi-cellular. They are not the same thing.

Endosymbiosis is not identical with going multi-cellular, and it seems that all but perhaps one of the known instances of endosymbiosis didn't play any role in us going multi-cellular anyway. In fact this article makes the case that it may not have been critical at all.


Multicellularity looks relatively easy. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicellular_organism#Occurre...

> Multicellularity has evolved independently at least 25 times in eukaryotes, and also in some prokaryotes, like cyanobacteria, myxobacteria, actinomycetes, Magnetoglobus multicellularis or Methanosarcina. However, complex multicellular organisms evolved only in six eukaryotic groups: animals, symbiomycotan fungi, brown algae, red algae, green algae, and land plants. It evolved repeatedly for Chloroplastida (green algae and land plants), once for animals, once for brown algae, three times in the fungi (chytrids, ascomycetes and basidiomycetes) and perhaps several times for slime molds and red algae.


It’s relatively easy once you have evolved the biochemical infrastructure to support it, but on Earth that took several billions of years to achieve. There’s no way around it, no amount of hand waving how easy it is negates the fact it took billion years of evolution to do it.

Also most of those forms of multicellularity are extremely basic, little more than tangles or sheets of cells, even after hundreds of millions of years of further evolution. That’s not likely to get to intelligent life.


I think we agree. One you have prokaryote it's probably easy to get multi cellular prokaryotes.

My guess is that the transition form eukaryotes to prokaryotes in the hard step.

Also, photosynthesis seams to be more complicated than what I expected. Perhaps that is the hardest step. (It's an indirect step to intelligent life, but perhaps a lot of free oxygen to burn food efficiently is necessary for intelligent life.)


it took at most a billion years. there may have been predecessors that were lost - the only evidence we have from that era is what made it into the DNA of surviving ancestors.

I guess I still feel like abiogenesis should be the bigger filter. we have ideas and suggestive experiments about how it happened, but nothing's come close to convincingly demonstrating how fully self-replicating life can evolve through simple steps. whereas endosymbiosis just seems to require two prokaryotes from different trees surviving in the same membrane, and it's not difficult for me to imagine a plasmid slipping in and making copies of enough enzymes to get by.


As I pointed out though, endosymbiosis isn’t by itself enough. It can provide many benefits, one of which might be the ability to develop complex sophisticated multicellular organisms, but it doesn’t guarantee that capability.

This sub thread is specifically about developing intelligent life, and of all the branches of multicellular life on earth only one has achieved that capacity, animals. None of the others seem to be anywhere close, or ever likely to be, for all their fancy biochemical tricks. So it seems like the vast majority of endosymbiotic events really don’t help much towards that outcome.


Yes, this (nonsense) discuassion is when you have computer progammers discuss biology. Is strange because they know nothing but all seem to think they must be experts of evrything because they get paid a lot to sit infront of a computer all day.


> Not yet. In the history of life on Earth, this has happened once.

1) That we know about.

2) Not unlike startups vs. established business, any newly emerging "eukaryotes" have to out-compete the already-evolved incumbents, which are already quite good at harnessing energy. You're much more likely to find success in business than in an entirely new evolutionary branch, though I doubt biological "gray goo" is outright impossible [1].

[1] Reverse chirality autotrophs sound like a scary sci-fi novel plot https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28038505


Additionally the environment changed significantly since then (for one example oxygen which was highly toxic to most forms of life that existed back then is now over 20% of atmosphere).

> Reverse chirality autotrophs sound like a scary sci-fi novel plot

Very ice-9-like.


>Reverse chirality autotrophs sound like a scary sci-fi novel plot

I doubt this. 'Not being digestible' is very far from 'being invulnerable' or even 'being able to spread quickly'. The kingdom of life has many ways to kill stuff, ways which don't care about chirality, and our typical R-sided lifeforms have all the evolutionary 'motivation' to come up with new ways just the off the competition. That's before humans get into the picture, which we have the tech to do.

There may be an accumulation of non-digestible stuff until nature reaches a balance. However, there's a very large recent accumulation of non-digestible materials called 'plastics', and while somewhat harmful, they're not a life-ending threat. Nature is already finding ways to process these materials[0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_degradation_by_marine_...


Sure, but I did say "sci-fi". And I think there are a lot of unaddressed points.

Plastics don't self-manufacture. You might not be able to control the rate.

Just because you kill something doesn't mean you break down its carbohydrates. Reverse chiral organism skeletons could bioaccumulate and we could have a situation similar to the Carboniferous.

Someone might be able to synthesize a bacteria in the lab given enough time and effort from an organism that proliferates quickly. It doesn't have to capture all the carbon. Just out-compete a keystone species. Plankton, mycorrhizae, etc. Or attack a large percentage of the plant biomass.


>Plastics don't self-manufacture. You might not be able to control the rate.

The rate is limited by the process. Since no precursors exist, it must 'self-manufacture' from scratch. This has inherent limits even before introducing competition for food, poison, predators that eat you even despite them not being able to really digest, etc.

>Just because you kill something doesn't mean you break down its carbohydrates. Reverse chiral organism skeletons could bioaccumulate and we could have a situation similar to the Carboniferous.

So you don't break it down. Nature will have plenty of time to adapt. Humans will step in if needed.

>Someone might be able to synthesize a bacteria in the lab given enough time and effort from an organism that proliferates quickly.

That's an incredibly messy way - create an entire L-chiral biochemistery - to get a weapon which doesn't have a setting between 'kill everything' and 'do rather little' (IMHO, the second being much likelier). There are far worse and more directed things one can do with a lab. Even the absurd 'kill everything' goal is far more likely to be reached in different ways.


You make a big assumption, that there must be only two kinds of cells, "simple" and "complex", like on earth.

That could well be an accidental fact. Maybe on some planets we have a gradient of cell complexity.

Also, we don't really know what even simpler kinds existed on earth but were lost, since bacteria, the "simple" kind, it's obviously too complex to have been the first ever life form.


That's not even true on earth. Archaea exist, and eukaryotes span a pretty wide range of complexity themselves.


Well, that's not a good assumption to make. Our most capable life detector¹ is analyzing the atmosphere of planets, captures stuff similar to our simplest single celled life. So, it's not a good guess that it's common.

1 - Actually our second best. The best one is the fact that nobody colonized Earth before we existed, that is tuned in space-faring life.


Just us if we live in a simulation


It is hard to take something like this seriously when the opening paragraph relates why the probe will try and communicate with Brownian motion or the random perturbation in a cloud; a similar reworked sentiment of the oft quoted intelligent desire to contact automobiles of earth; an absurd concept


I remember reading about a bear classed as a link between brown bears and polar bears. Post mortem, under a grinning hunters foot. I remember wondering if he had killed the first and only hybrid that would have bridged the gap for a doomed species. Melodramatic perhaps. Actually I see there is a wiki! It seems there is one way gene flow.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly–polar_bear_hybrid


My understanding is that those are not particularly uncommon, and that they're being hunted to prevent hybridization from occurring.

But I don't know what we think the world is going to look like in 10,000 years if we keep making species extinct and stopping them from re-integrating with their close relatives. Completely new species aren't going to pop up in that time. It's just going to be new specializations of existing ones. And if we keep going this way, everything is going to turn into houseflies and rodents.


I'm under the impression Polar Bears are kinda-sorta just a special case of Brown Bears.


There's a black bear mutation for white fur that's common enough that 'Spirit Bears' are a thing in local culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermode_bear


There is a company called woolcool in the uk that produces wool sheets to replace styrofoam. The sheets are encased in thin perforated plastic. As as insulator it’s great, but it does get wet and it’s expensive. There are companies using it to deliver temp sensitive goods but if you do you have to get your customers to send it back to you to mitigate cost. No one talks about this and finding out the % of packaging returns is information no one volunteers. So you have to get them to return a box full and they also have to hang it over a chair or something to dry it out.

Strip it out of the plastic and a dog or cat will go nuts rolling in it!

WRT house insulation What happens if it gets wet. Moisture is mentioned in the article briefly but not really addressed properly.

The mushroom product doesn’t have any info on thermal insulation properties. Which is the key market. As someone else mentioned, it’s vague


There are trillions of dollars worth of manganese nodules from golf ball to basketball size just sat on ocean floors, many not far off from coast lines, many far deeper. Pumping them up has been an unsolved problem but Perhaps autonomous drone hoovers or shovelers could work. A usecase like this would spark enough interest / money spent on the problem to solve it. A ship that had a fleet of drones unloading to it 24/7 could pick up a lot of it. There is not just manganese in the nodules either.. I seem to remember most nations strategically banning collecting them a few hundred miles of their coasts should there be any.


There is also (theoretically) a near-infinite supply of it on 16 Psyche, an M-type asteroid that will, seemingly, radically alter the meaning of human wealth if we are able to harness its resources.

Exciting times to be building Starships.


If we cant explore and map our sea's, do we have a hope in exploring space in any great way?

At least the crushing sea pressure could be likened to crushing forces on a space ship in a black hole.


The difference is, both environments create conditions intolerably difficult to operate, but if we're going to be experimenting with hostile environment industry, I think its best done a few million km's from Earth rather than, literally, in the bosom of all life.


If you cant master whats immediately around you, what makes you think you can master something few million km's away?


We can't master some things because they are too close to us. Mastering things is not space-relative, its survival-relative.


I wonder I wonder what horrific ecological damage we'll be creating once we start exploiting these.


Biologically its a fantastic Super Oxide Dismutase, but if it gets into a mammalian system without being bound in Metallothionein, you'll end up with Parkinson's like symptoms.

Its possibly one of the reasons why some sea born mammals (whales) live for so long, considering its transported in much the same way as Iron.

I sometimes think the Victorians with their sea bathing were onto a thing or two because for humans, their greatest environmental exposure to Manganese is bathing in the sea, the concentration of Manganese is highest in coastal regions, despite the fact you can find the Manganese nodules out to sea on the sea bed. Cant help but notice that Uranium can also be found in similar sized nodules in certain geographical environments.

In terms of damage, this perhaps should be tackled like Oyster farming, so its a perfect case for using specialist drone equipment to do the harvesting, you cant deep sea dive farm these nodules.


What about if cells are shock triggered by g forces to emit certain proteins / chemicals initiating the wave of memory excitation. This could be tested


This happened to me as an 11 or 12 yr old. I was hit by a car that crossed a red light. The moment I was hit I saw my life and memories from it, certain pauses on interactions with key people and there were very overwhelming positive and calm emotions, but I saw everything and indeed strangely carousel style. When I hit the tarmac I was slammed back in real time and was scrabbling to hang on the front of the car as it didn’t stop for 50 yards and was dragging me under.

It had a profound impact on me. It makes sense it’s a human experience that’s ‘an unknown known’. I don’t buy the ‘survival mechanism’ theory, the nature of the experience was not one of search. It was over 30 years ago, but remains something I know to be ‘real’ as a phenomenon


> I was hit by a car

> It had a profound impact on me

I assume this wasn't intentional, but I had to appreciate the pun


Thank you! I am walking the dogs in the park and laughed out loud when I read that. It was unintentional to be clear. The experience was real, I wish I had the foresight to notice the pun


I wonder if the memory carousel itself is not so much a survival mechanism, but rather it's a side effect of a survival mechanism. In layman terms, the brain goes into overdrive as it tries everything it can to eek out some minor optimization in your movement, that might help you dodge an arrow. As a side effect everything else in your brain also gets stimulated like never before and for the parts of your brain that we relate to consciousness, the experience is one of explosive recall of memories.


Wow, I like your theory. Would be really cool if it’s that way. Like when you have tunnel vision during a fight and your hands get numb


This fascinates me. Can you tell me what the perception of time is like for this experience? Obviously it must be extended as compared with waking reality, but how long did it feel like? Was it like a lucid engrossing dream that has a plot that literally feels like many days length, or did you perceive the outside reality moving in more slow motion?


I went onto study physics, I used to think about it every now and then. It’s not easy to characterise / quantify an answer but there was no experience of time, I was not aware enough of externalities to know what slow motion would be as that implies a connection to outer time. I don’t remember a cradle to present run through of memories but I certainly saw / experienced a slideshow and then ‘real time’ moments of positive interactions with people, which then moved on. Was that seconds or moments or just memory clusters firing I don’t know. Enough to re live the experience with a different perspective. of course early memories are not (for me)as complex or emotionally involving or nuanced with language so the bulk of memories were from later life. I have no recollection of the composition of ‘the slideshow’ but do remember for eg love for my mother in certain ‘scene(s)’ and that was more of a ‘real-time’ segment. A precession of memories certainly indicates time flow. I was dimly aware of the ground at the last moment as it came towards me and thinking back on it the scenes faded and real time came back along with my sense of the outside world aka the ground.


I wonder if there's a connection here to "dream time", how you can have a dream experience that connects to something waking you up in the real world (a noise, or sensation like cold or wet). But the dream experience of whatever it was feels like it must have taken way longer than the amount of time it actually took you to react to the real world thing.


The reason time *feels slow* in these catastrophes, AFAIK is that memory formation kicks into high gear during it

Your brain isn't somehow over locking itself, you just remember everything about the event in detail, so it feels like it in retrospect


That's a smart theory. I have another theory: life-review is the simulation diverting additional compute resources to your local "process" to quickly judge whether or not your annihilation would be optimal for the reality/simulation/timeline. This requires intense extra compute in real-time to assess each moment of your life, and the reason you experience it is because there's no priority in that moment to maintain the normal veil between "in-time" (real time subjective to observer) and "out-of-time" (ie as in simulation time) experience. So the rapid processing starves the normal "subjective you" process, and your consciousness gets to "peek through" at the workings of the simulation as it judges whether you dying would be catastrophic. If you "pass", then the simulation ensures your exist for at least a while longer, otherwise, it lets the event take its course.

The subconscious knowledge of this is why we've internalized and re-expressed the "judgement upon death" notion across many religions.


I love this theory. Thank you for sharing.


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Please don't cross into personal attack.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


I appreciate the notice. It's important to point out that the user appears to be suffering from schizophrenia, which is not really an attack. But I can understand how it can be misconstrued or hurtful.


Internet psychiatric diagnosis is also misconstruable at best, and at worst ranges amounts to more personal attack and trolling, so please don't do that either.

https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=a...


You're right. I mean, my intent wasn't to attack -- which is recognizable by the fact that I started with a big compliment and I called them a creative genius (which I still think is true). But I have to admit that what I said still teeters into promoting a toxic environment, not to mention isn't backed up by evidence and could have been very hurtful.

This is the most valuable place on the internet for insightful, meaningful discussion, and it seems as if you (among others?) are responsible for that. So I want to say your work is deeply appreciated, and I'm so sorry for adding to the load :)


Thanks! and no worries. As you say, it was clear from your initial praise that you meant well.


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A few things:

1. I do apologize specifically to you for jumping to the conclusion of schizophrenia when I don't have sufficient evidence nor qualification to say so. Sorry.

2. To be clear, I created this account because your idea inspired me, rather than the suggestion I created it for anonymity. I hadn't posted on Hacker News in years.

3. The reason I jumped to that particular conclusion about you is simply as such: (a) your conception of reality differs from current scientific understanding, (b) you have not conducted any proper scientific experiments on the matter, and (c) you are unshakably convinced in spite of insufficient scientific experimentation. Unfortunately, I jumped to a conclusion without sufficient evidence, but it was merely me making a guess based on the data I had. It wasn't about ego or devaluation. If I am wrong, then I am simply wrong -- being wrong doesn't always come from a place of ego or attack, but simply mistaken understanding.

4. For context, my partner has been diagnosed with schizophrenia. I do not use that term to insult people. To me, it's a neutral description of something that causes people to suffer (in the case of my partner, often horrible, horrible pain -- she constantly has experiences of being raped, electrocuted, and suffocated). Once again, I do not use that term to insult people. Unfortunately, I stepped too far by assuming someone else has it.

5. If you are correct, and wish for others to see that, then it must be demonstrated by a properly conducted scientific experiment. If you do not do that, then you cannot expect people to discard their current conception of reality. Any form of argumentation or scattered observation is insufficient to discard current scientific consensus -- only experiment can do that.

Lastly... I know you expressed resistance to this form of apology, but... I really didn't mean to hurt you. It hurts me to know that I caused you pain. I'm sorry. And yes, we disagree on the topic, but ideally we can disagree without making the other feel bad about it (an ideal which I unfortunately failed to live up to).


1. Alright, cool. Thanks. I forgive you.

2. Fair enough.

3. Not unshakably convinced. I'm dispassionate. If I saw data in my inability to do this, I'd change my model. I didn't start out thinking I could do this I just started out noticing these things and then I started to try to formalize it more, and eventually I arrived at this model. Where it's simply easier to believe, yeah I can do it, than to keep entertaining doubts because of some consensus outside of what I've experienced, when I've already processed those doubts in relation to what I've experienced. I agree it's not the best absolute scientific method but the best I can do so far (a step up from telling my friends, then emailing myself) to optimize: posting data on future events to Twitter it's sort of my best effort to do that so I'm sort of stepping towards being more scientific, organized and methodical about this.

But there are lots of other remote viewing or precognitive studies out there that are scientific but people find some reason to dismiss them anyway. And there's actually an industry that uses associated remote viewing for stock market predictions, and also for corporate intelligence.

I agree that you can be simply wrong but the topic of what you're wrong about, and how you express that, you know that requires some empathy and consideration. Otherwise it functions effectively as an attack. Also, I kind of get the feeling that maybe you just dismissed all this stuff without actually looking at my Twitter and letting that data make an impression on you because your priors are it's just too preposterous.

4. That's terrible I feel sorry for you that that happened. It must be very hard for you to deal with I'm sure. And maybe some element of what you said was projection and taking out all that anger and despair you must feel. I can understand how in that experience you would be predisposed to say that to someone because in your intimate experience it's sort of part of the daily discourse. But I can also think that given your experience you would feel more responsibility or pause towards using that label for someone you don't know. Anyway I feel sorry for you that you have that experience and all is forgiven.

I'm not saying the following relates to your experience and I don't have personal experience of severe mental illness but I have this view, that in some cases people who are diagnosed as mentally ill are in fact people who are just somehow connected to the signal of the informational field (this kind of psychic data) but they don't know, they don't have a context for, and they have not yet learned, how to process it. And they don't know how to shut it off.

I think there are many people who initially have some sort of abilities like this as a child but then they learn to shut it off because it gets in the way of air quotes regular life. And I think some people are just connected to the informational field so strongly that they have all of this bandwidth coming in.

At the same time I don't think psychic abilities account for all mental illness at all, I think there's definitely cases which are mental illness pathologies and are not related to any sort of informational field ability.

I don't wish to impose, nor step on your territory, and I'm not pretending to speak to the specific experience of your partner, so I'm sorry that this will probably seem like that, but I'm just saying, with relation to this model, I think it's plausible that there are people who could have these abilities and also have, a high kind of empathy and, for whatever personal reasons, place a high significance on these types of rape or torture events and it makes sense that they would pick up that data about it happening, or having happened, or going to happen. In my experience of data on future mass casualty events the suffering and pain of people is a main component of the signal and sometimes I will get data about people individuals being murdered and I will feel experience, and it can be a very, very traumatic data. I'm not saying this relates to your partner but I'm just saying it's conceivable that someone with that type of presentation of experiences could actually be tapping into these things, as they did, as they are, as they will occur. But it's also conceivable that someone such as your partner experiencing this and then becoming aware that these things were actually real events happening to others would be just adding more burdens to the trauma they're experiencing. And if that model were accurate it may be better to simply find ways to downregulate the signal incoming.

I'm not saying this with some grandiose idea that I think I can help you in your situation I'm just sharing a model that I have. It's a sort of a hopeful model that I have that there are some people out there who are said to be mentally ill but instead it's just people who have not yet learned how to handle signal of the informational field that they're getting. I guess I hope that in future with more public science investigation unless stigma around psychic abilities then maybe these types of people could get the training treatment and help that they need.

To share some personal experience (maybe it helps you understand more):

I guess I've always been able to sort of dial in how connected I am to the data by using my focus. If I try to ignore it completely I'm still aware that it's there. I experience like an energetic pressure, like a physical sensation. Which I learned is informational field signal coming in. That's my current model. And if I look into that sensation I can resolve details (sense impressions, events) and record the data. That's the "receptive" side of my process. The other "active" side is I can go to a deep focus state and go and look for things that are going to happen.

I find that if I don't process that signal that comes in (by resolving the details and recording it somehow by writing it down or voice memo) then that uncomfortable sensation will often remain with me.

Some things that I find that assist me in handling these things are: avoiding caffeine nicotine alcohol and processed foods, and trying to eat healthy with a lot of vegetables. Also, Meditation and body relaxation and yoga. And also acting and assertive and confident, and expressing myself, and not acting anxious and avoidant, and not saying what I want to say. But it has been a lot of learning and a lot of difficulty.

5. Fair enough. I'm doing my best right now. I don't expect them to discard it I just expect I think a little bit of fair consideration you know to allow the data to make an impression on them to allow themselves to wonder a little bit. I don't want to get the wall of conservative dismissal based on prejudice, rather than just looking at what I already posted.

I agree the scientific method is a great thing (I have a degree in a hard science after all) I just don't think that science as a community, as a way of thinking about the world, in the way that it's practiced, I don't think that science is capable of thinking all the thoughts that need to be thought about the world, in order to properly and accurately comprehend the world in front of us.

So our scientific method is a great idea, but the practice of our science is flawed. By many human cognitive biases and other flaws.

Overall

Thank you for saying that I appreciate your response it helps me feel a lot better now. These kind of things are painful and thanks for your apology. I feel sorry for you that you feel pain about this hopefully you learn from this experience and avoid this kind of thing in future. It was a good apology. I hope you and your loved ones get what you need. Thanks :)


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Anyway, I guess you'll dispute my vision and subsequent analysis of your psychological state, because admitting it would give a little bit of support to my psychic ability, as well as exposing a weakness of yours. But refuting it, that boosts your priors that psychic abilities are fake, or at least that mine are. You may reform, but you may just stick with a different version of your current attitude. That's not that important because it's not the main thing here, but it is important for me to say I anticipate it, and also that I offer this vision of you aware of the risk to me of doing that--the risk that you may, say, "Hah, that proves that you're not psychic because that's not how I feel at all!" Normally, I wouldn't expose myself like this for so little reward, but like I said, I believe there's a chance of a good reward here, realized by your reform, which I am now acting to assist.

So, what's the second possible reality? In that reality, psychic abilities are real, I'm not deluded, I really am psychic, and you are wrong.

When I say two possible realities, I'm not saying they have equal probability...The second is almost entirely certain, the first is basically zero probability. In other words, there's only a tiny possibility that I'm deluded about this, and there's 0 probability that I'm schizophrenic.

Through my development, I considered these question many times: maybe I am simply deluded? Could I be psychotic? Or might I be schizophrenic? But I realized those things are not likely, and for the schizophrenic question, impossible. I considered this a lot, and I came to see that through the data, what I was able to see, before it happened...that I was not deluded. I wasn't always correct, but I was correct enough, and in stunning enough ways that it's impossible essentially to be done by chance.

Aside from those negatives, there's certainly a strong psychological compulsion to believe I'm psychic, because that: makes me special, makes me important, makes me right, makes me significant. So it is conceivable I'm just deluding myself in the same way you were distorting your reality, to make up for, to overcompensate for, a less than satisfying reality. I thought about that many times. But I still kept using my power. I made records, and I saw things happen, again and again.

At this point, I consider the data speaks for itself, and the possibility that I arrived at all those data simply by chance is essentially nil. Believing it's coincidence, is the crazy, insane point of view. But if your priors really are so invested in psychic ability being false, I encourage you to go over my Twitter. Very likely that will not convince you, because very often people will not see what they don't want to see, even when it is shown to them. That's fine. But I encourage you to try again, not only with my Twitter, by go to reddit/r/remoteviewing and try it yourself. See what you can do. If you're able to discover your ability to data from the signal...then you will likely convince yourself that there has to be something to it.

So in this reality...where psychic abilities are real, why is your comment bad? Because for someone like me, with these skills, it's a constant battle, against people like you who want to say stuff like this. Of course I have doubts, and your arrogant hurtful insults, only give me pause and interfere with my ability, and my free exercise of that. That's harmful to my development. It's also just harmful to me emotionally. And, it's not just about me...these kinds of abusive behaviors are harmful to the development of these abilities on Earth. If you consider that these skills would be good for people to have (they are adaptive), then your arrogant dismissal to save your own ego, ends up cascading out into the world into a tsunami of harm. You saying that, hurt me, and will hurt other people who pass by this place and see your words, because it will contribute to the voices discouraging them from developing this.

And with a skill like this it's especially important. It's an "internal" "subjective" "consciousness" skill, and so your beliefs play a large part in our faithfully you can do it. If you keep believing, "this is bullshit,", "I am crazy", "this is impossible", those ideas will get in the way of you doing what you need to do to develop and use this. It's an extremely subtle skill, you're dealing with subtle perception, and pulling data and interpretations out of raw informational impressions. That's not a perfect description, but it gets close enough, and is adequate for here.

It's like any other skill. It's particularly like a sporting skill, like basketball. Are you going to shoot the 3 from the line every time? No. But people can get better at it. Does the mind game matter? Absolutely. If your head is not in the game, if you don't have confidence, if you are overcome by doubts or criticism, that can get to you. So just like pro athletes, but even more so as the skills is so intimate with subjective consciousness processes, you have to protect your mind game.

The unfortunate thing about that is you have to get good at dealing with abuse or abusive people. I'd much rather not have any interactions with such, but, the hurtful comments are too painful and too damaging to my development to leave unaddressed. If I don't say something (which I've tried), I find myself still thinking about it years later. So to protect myself, I need to respond.

Given that's the case, why expose myself at all? Well...I did this in private for a couple of years, making records in my email, and to my friends, until I felt confident enough that what I was doing was real, before starting to make it non-repudiable (I think I'm looking for a more accurate word here) by posting it on Twitter. I never delete psychic data record tweets. But I tweet about some other topics (popular daily topics) and delete those to keep my twitter feed pure with the data in the long term. I don't get everything, and I am constantly learning how to interpret the signal and record the data better, but I have some amazing hits. Impossible to achieve by chance. We're not picking bits, we're picking whole descriptions, events. The reason I focus on the future is, to my perspective, this is the most challenging. The past and the present are easy (well easier), you're just reading the matrix for the data that already exists. The future is more challenging, but more valuable, because you can verify big events in the news, and you have to pull data out of the sea of possibilities. It sounds amazing, and it is. But anyone can try to do it. But just like any other skills, there's a spectrum of abilities, and talent and practice affect. So why post publicly at all? I want the public record. I think that's an important thing, to make it non-deniable. And it is amazing, so I want to share it around.

So whether you think psychics are crazy, and you know everything, or you think psychics are real, I hope you'll be kinder in future, because that's better for everybody, including you.

Please know I don't intend to invest more time even if you reply in good faith. If you have disbelief, the onus is on you to educate yourself by trying to do it.


Question the premise.


The premise that we can have a community focused on above-average-quality conversation on the internet? Yeah, people question that daily. Thankfully, dang is here to keep us in line.


I don't see the point in deliberately misinterpreting. That is in itself a downgrade.


Which premise?


When it comes to feeling "slow motion" on psychedelics, it feels like you're just taking in and focusing on too many details so your memory of the experience feels a lot longer than it actually was.

Under normal circumstances when looking at a random car, you most likely just see a car. You've probably seen a car before so it's not something you need to pay attention to.

But under the influence of psychedelics you pay attention to all the details of the car. Like how it's somehow symmetrical in shape, the reflection of the car from the sun, transparent windows that somehow reflects the environment a little bit but is still somehow lets you see the inside of the car, the front part of the car looks like a face, the car is larger than you, etc, etc.

The experience under the influence might feel like it took 2 minutes, but in reality it probably took 10 seconds. It can feel even longer when recalling the memory.

(you might also see things that aren't part of the car but I'm leaving that out here to talk about how long an experience feels like)


I have a pet theory that this is why time seems to move faster as you age. Novelty runs out.

As a child, nearly every day is packed with novel stimuli. The number of distinct “imprints” on your memory during this time is extremely high. In other words, you have a higher “memory density” during this period compared to when you’re older and the mind uses these reference points as a proxy for the passage of time.

It follows that you can lead a “longer” life by prioritizing novel experiences over routines.


Since you've thought about it, my impression was more that we're forced to distribute consciousness. Consciousness as in mindfulness. What we aren't conscious in doing becomes reflexive, we put our bodies in autopilot. I think novelty is one way that yes, because it calls forward consciousness, we can expand our mental time frame, sort of like pressing record. I think a good aside here is the concept of the beginner's mind.

In terms of untrained optimization, though, autopilot is prioritized. I think this is pretty well corroborated by Kahneman's chimera in Thinking, Fast and Slow but I think it's less of a metabolic thing than it is an interruption in train of thought.

Perhaps this is derived by the fact the mind can create its own feedback loops, and in the circumstances where you've mastered to the point of intuition and reflexivity some practice, those feedback loops are given precedence because they're more rewarding, and being called to the real world becomes frustrating. At least that's how I'd assemble my own experience in narrative.


It almost seems like time can only be measured when recalling past conscious events.

If you've ever been anesthetized for a medical operation, it really feels like the moment you lose awareness to the moment you wake up again is the same event, except that 15 hours has passed in between.

I've heard people who fall unconscious from head trauma say the same thing. Suddenly they wake up in hospital not knowing what has happened.


That's my conclusion, too. Our sense of time is defined not in seconds but in terms of events, and our perception of the passage of time is defined in proportion to the total number of events we've experienced.

It reminds me of that statement in Starship Troopers (the book): "The death rate's the same for us as for anyone. One person, one death, sooner or later."


thank you for sharing. I'm glad you're here today. What do you feel is the purpose of a life review like this?

I don't know that I believe in an afterlife per se, but oblivion also seems unlikely. Something about being an aspect of the infinite universe that continues. stories like yours are very compelling!


I have heard so many people describing the same exact feelings as you, especially the "overwhelming positive and calm emotions" part. It's so fascinating!


I hit a deer on my motorcycle. I remember nothing between the initial impact and finding myself on my back looking up at the sky. I had been separated from the bike and slide on my side for a considerable distance (only going 30 mph, luckily). Perhaps the flash of life experiences doesn't happen for everyone.


Perhaps it happens for everyone but in some cases, you black out and forget it.


The 'dark forest model' is predicated on game theory. This same model controls nuclear conflict doctrine on earth and is responsible for megatons pointed at you right now. An old 50's methodology, absorb the Russians since we cant beat icbm's and dont trust they would disarm under a treaty. In a multiploar world arms races continue (this then is a mini analogue for grabby aliens but based on nation states). Worryingly usa now seeks asymetric dominance in this area increasing the likelyhood of conflict (or is it worrying?). I would say at this point that perhaps advanced intelligences, or even aumented humans of 50 years hence! Or decentralised direct democracies of 5 - 10 years from now! Or me! May consider 'game theory' and its paranoid centralised power adherants as psychotic and a smaller filter in of itself ( to our kind of socially structured lifeform). The dark forest has as its conlusion relativistic first strike weapons ( the same as the missile 'shield' )

I would think grabby aliens + uplift and absorption would answer the question of how they deal with new life. Dark forest is a fad imho, and if im wrong, well i dont think we'll be like that, and we will still succeed if we get out of this period


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